716 MB'S It sorts my gapping out perfectly as a result. Hope I did not complicate this any and maybe helped you, Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*--- Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. The simple fact is that good golf cannot be played with a bad grip on the club. Im also adding a 5 wood to the bag and changing to a 54/60 wedge set-up. If my hands are 2" farther back or forward at impact that is + or - 3*. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. I haven't built them yet, i was wondering if the results are still working out a year or so later? A 1 degree lie angle change, either flat or more upright, can cause a 4-yard difference either left or right of a straight target. Thanks everybody for the help! people hit it further because of stronger lofts is such a wifes tale. St Louis, MO. I just purchased a new set of 716MB irons. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. What the heck are they were talking about? You get to replace the 4 iron thats gone with something you can get in the air. Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. Maybe manufacturers will take note (I doubt it, but keep trying. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. Undershooter Pasted as rich text. High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). Taylor Made Stealth 10.5 Aldila Ascent Red R flex, Wilson D7 forged 5-GW- Mamiya recoil 460 R flex, Titleist Pro VIxoptic yellow with revkev stamped on them. You hit the golf ball off of the heel of the club often causing the golf ball to hook or pull, You are playing clubs too short for you (again. Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. I do not disagree with you on the long irons Drew, we have hybrids to replace those. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? for the better golfer, these lofts leave nothing at the bottom of the bag. In my experience I have seen guys in the 8-14 handicap range with moderate ball speed try X Hot irons, and see much better results with the Rocketbladez. I always found it a bit strange that I could be 20-40 yards ahead of some friends yet hit the same distance with mid to short irons. If the launch conditions work, what matter the number on the club? You will see it often when a pro, for example, will eliminate his 4 iron from the set and they may strengthen their 5 iron a degree or two and weaken their 3 iron a degree or two to even out the gaps. Its like that distance is just not filled. The question is, again, Do you really want to get better at golf?. Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW Good info to pass along regarding COG. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. Introduce Yourself/ WIYB (What's In Your Bag), Lessons, Drills, Mental Game, and Fitness Tips. In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. So the assumption is that the loft alone is what is creating more distance with the new irons. Thats why I recommend that golfers get fit for irons on golf radar by a certified fitter who understands how loft and COG work together in iron design. The difference after they were set to factory lofts and lie for my swing was amazing! It flies lower and that is about it. Callaway 2018 MB irons . TM M2 8.5* Graphite Design Tour AD GP 6X+ This also gives me room for more wedges. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. We have seen significant distance improvements with all 3 of these irons, it just needs to match up with how you launch the ball. Would they still be ideal? Yes, thats essentially what Im asking. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Good luck! Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. You must log in or register to reply here. On 7/12/2018 at 3:15 PM, PoeKingShankspeare said: Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here, w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. Absolutely GREAT analogy RoverRick. What does the average golfer look like? Well break down what the average golfer (male golfer) looks like and offers data that can be used to benchmark your game against. I was fit for my current irons and they were bent 2 degrees strong for ball flight purposes. How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. Lynx Black Cat irons were set this way, so I had to have the 5 iron bent 2*, the 6 iron 1.5, the 7 iron 1.0 and the 8 iron .5 (this was my experimental set). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. In the last six years, Tony Finau and Viktor Hovland both broke their maiden here, whilst after a period of personal tragedy, multiple winner, Branden Grace, bounced back to form. By adding loft, those golfers achieve more ideal launch conditions, which means they carry shots farther and stop the ball faster on the green. Great article. I play high bounce Ping G30's and have bent some of the clubs in that set that strong. So, if you really want to get better at golf, start by learning how to hold the club properly. I bent them 4 degrees strong to keep my flight down as I hit moon balls with my X700 shafts hardstepped X3 ", Ping G400 Testing G410. question on bending a forged iron 2 degrees strong By ssfranny, January 22, 2019 in WRX Club Techs Reply to this topic Start new topic ssfranny Lefty Boomers 3.5k Feedback 20 0 0 Total Rating 100% Posted January 22, 2019 Have a set of basically new MP 53s I want to bend them 2 degrees strong to make them play more a modern loft. The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! You cannot paste images directly. I did this to reduce the spin rate. However, even a degree difference can affect the direction where the ball might start out and can be the difference between you hitting the green, and you landing in a bunker! I was being fitted for MP-4's and the ball flight with the kbs tour x was a little higher than i wanted so my fitter was able to bend it strong incrementally by 1 degree to flatten out the ball flight for me. If you're a true picker, wont make you a digger. You won't notice it. * MD4 54/10 S-Grind replacedMD3 54/12 W-Grind. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique. Backups:Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Your email address will not be published. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. KBS even notes it in the swing speed recommendations for their different model shafts, as their very lightweight steel shafts are about a full flex softer frequency than the standard weight counterpart. If they are not bent properly you can change the lie fairly easily unintentionally. Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. The decision wasn't about distance it was about gapping. TaylorMade Rsi TP 3-PW (1.5* strong) NS-Pro MOdus 3 tour130 X The refit yielded a super driving iron. Ping Redwood Anser- the "real deal!". The bounce will be irrelevant to begin with in that case anyway. Then if your wedge gaps are off you might tweak them a degree. Taking the destructive shot out of your game is key. After this long introduction, Nick keep preaching this gospel. Compare that with 49-year-old Atwal, with a best of 49th place since 2021 and an average first-round placing of around 120th for his three starts in 2023, and Scott Brown, admittedly a former winner here, but now 719th in the world and who has, since September, withdrawn twice during tournaments, and missed his last two cuts (Pebble and Honda) ranking 99th and 136th for his first round he certainly looks wrong in every way. Because of my forward foot was so much above my trail foot, my hands were a good 6" behind the ball, when compared to a level lie. May 20, 2016 at 10:43 AM What if I get those numbers with a 7-iron, or a 5-iron? Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal. Will it affect offset? Furthermore, he was 15th at the end of the first round on debut here last year and 11th after Thursdays round at the correlative Corales in the Dominican Republic. But if your best place for improvement is in your approach shots or play with the long clubs, you simply must work on your fundamentals of the golf swing. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Upload or insert images from URL. Even with limitations, many of todays metal woods are indeed bendable, especially stainless-steel heads. Anyway, the scorecard couldn't care less what club you hit. I changed my Apex pro 19 2 degrees strong. Nick is a Certified Performance Club Fitter at Carl's Golfland in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. Sitemap. Privacy Policy weight removed), (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Display as a link instead, If so why mess with perfection. But if it'll mess up the performance or whatnot, I'm not messing with it. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. Getting your first putt inside three feet will greatly improve your score. A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. What bounce does is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Everyone's comments are super helpful! Now I learned to shape the flight high and low at any given moment. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? I know for people with slower swing speeds these crazy lofted, ultimate SGI irons are perfect. If you bend lie, you will effect swingweight. Display as a link instead, Ping G30 irons w/Recoil 95 Good point. I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. Odyssey Pro #1 black with more loft than its designed for, so he cant go wrong by bending heads stronger. That is only if the area you are going to contact the ball moves up on the face as a result of bending, the lower portion of the face will move backwards when bent strong. Ping G30 irons w/Recoil 95 Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. This is a list of all clubheads that clubmakers are not allowed to bend. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. Might actually help on hard ground. Below, you'll see the results. Maybe its conceptually challenging but when all sets came 3-PW with heads the size of your pinky-toe, golfers either left their 3 iron home or just used it for low punch shots back to the fairway; back then, a well-hit 6 iron would outdistance an over-muscled 3 iron seven times out of 10. Copyright 2022 MyGolfSpy Since such a precise hit is needed to take advantage of the lower loft, the average distance each club hits the ball tends to converge at lower lofts for less-skilled players. Golfers should liken their iron fittings to that of a driver. Clear editor. OP, which is it you are asking about.. making a club 2* stronger or increasing loft? I showed him all the stats on the monitor and he was in agreement but when it came to buying the actual driver he insisted on buying the 9.5 head with the TP after all the work on the launch monitor. If you are a true sweeper that may be ok but you may not see that big distance gain you are hoping for. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. But i am talking more along the lines of the bounce, leading edge, etc. Driver: G425 LST 9on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 5S, Fairway: G425LST 3w on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 6S, G425MAX 9won Graphite Design Tour ADDI7S, Utility: KING Forged Utility Black 4 on UST RECOIL SMACWRAP, Irons: KING Forged TEC Black5-Gon Mitsubishi MMT, Wedges:ES2154& Hi Toe Raw58on KBS Hi Rev 2.0, Putter: Triple Track Double Wide White Hot, Balls: Pro V1TP5xChrome Soft Triple Track x LS. Say you have a modern set that is 3-PW, 19*-45*. Often, golfers think they need to make more birdies in order to score better or become a better golfer, when in reality it is minimizing the bad shots and bad holes that can have more impact. JavaScript is disabled. It is a lot easier to find what lie angle you need in your golf clubs and purchase a set rather than have to individually bend each club. I believe that you can't really bend your irons too much but to accommodate I am thinking of bending my AP2s 1 degree stronger and AP3s 1 degree weaker so that I have better gaping. Say you start with a classic blade 7 iron with 40* static loft by how much could you reduce the loft in conjunction with a GI head design without launching the ball lower? Taylormade SIM UDI 2i / Diamana THUMP 100X, Taylormade P770 3i (bent weak) / Project X LS 6.5, Taylormade P7MC 5-7i, P7MB 8-9i / Project X LS 6.5. If its putting or greenside scoring, spend your time working on those aspects instead of beating balls on the range. Sure, the top few are valid members of the PGA Tour, all with their legitimate claims in this lowly class, but we then have the likes of Chad Campbell (unranked after not being seen for almost three years) and Frank Lickliter (now outside the world top 3000) bringing up a rear lacks depth. What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? You won't notice it. I have a 17-degree 4-wood, a 21-degree hybrid, a 26-degree hybrid, and a 29-degree iron as my longer (non-driver) clubs. By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. Sure. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. The average golfer leaves 65 percent of all approach shots short of the green. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid 5 Testers Needed! 16,822. When you get 2* gaps on the long end there is almost no difference between clubs. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60*, Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck I tried it today but I can still hit my 6i farther than my 64 degree lw. The drop off in make percentage from 3-6 feet and 6-9 feet is huge. Not sure about the AP2s. Albion, MI 49224 Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver But, as lofts are strengthened the gaps become compressed on the long end and widened on the short. And here is why. I did the math on these numbers years ago when I had an early release and wondering why I could not hit the irons very far. Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X", Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions), Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X For you lower swing speed players, go to blades with weaker lofts or better yet go to an old vintage blades with the pitching wedge 52 degrees, and you can hit the ball farther hehe. 5 Testers Needed! I've never had a sand wedge bent. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. 4-6 more yards (depending on club and swing speed) and lower launch with less bounce. But what about the mid and low irons, yes I understand some companies make 6/7 hybrids (7 and up is very rare), but you can not really replace an 8 iron with a true hybrid. I do not find these to dig at all. Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" Generally bending lofts on irons unless you are tweaking them to even out a gap. Brilliant information ! If jacking with strong lofting one you need to have a good fitter/ instructor work with you on your model suggestion and what will fit your swing. Guaranteed that if you looked at your ball speed it was dramatically higher. Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 On a driver? I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. Think about how much this could help golfers from the rough as well. The average golfer hits 48 percent of fairways. "If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. This is even less a personal thing than the grip with very little variation, there is a single way to set up to a golf ball to help a good golf swing happen. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. Hybrid: Cobra King Tec 2h, MMT 80 S -or- TEE CBX 17*, HZRDUS 85 6.0, 2 iron: Mizuno MP-20 HMB, Steelfiber i95 S, 39.5", Irons grab bag: 1-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 1-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R; 3-AW Pinhawk Vertex irons, Apollo std stepped S I realize it is hard to write to such a diverse audience, but Im going to give it my best with this post, and pose the basic two questions to each of you : If the answer to No. Golfers change the lie angle of a club to better their chances of hitting the center of the clubface. Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. If experience still trumps explanations, simulations and printouts, print out some ebay listings there are lots of older sets with barely used 3 irons. I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. All Rights Reserved. IG: golfer_scott Free shipping for many products! Feel free to browse around and see if anything catches your eye! My name is Justin and I am a PGA Golf Professional. Good question. If you can get it in the air, no problem. Its not about research or information, its about ego and emotion. PXG 0311P Gen 3 - 5to PW - Nippon 125 X I teach golf on the Eastern side of Michigan where I am the Director of Instruction for three golf courses. Mr Divots, good point on the higher swing speeds, but like anything else we still see higher speed guys still launch the ball too low, it just is not as common as the low swing speed player. (more on this down below). Or if youre playing in firm conditions, you might want more spin and a higher launch. Brent Grantcould very well be one of the seasons fairy stories by September, having already secured his 2022/23 card with a stunning 50-foot birdie putt on the last hole of the Korn Ferry Tour Championship enough to finish 11th and sneak in. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You don't say what club it is, but Rev said it sounds like a long iron and I agree. Your previous content has been restored. In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. So to get the most performance out of each iron, for these low ball hitters, we need to add loft. All rights reserved. Currently I play a set of old-school Ping Eye 2s, which I love, but I want the benefits of modern irons and forged heads. As long as the spin rate is acceptable, the new irons, because of their lower center of gravity, are going to produce more speed off the face (due to the lower loft and lower COG) and more distance. So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! Idk CG specifics on those models, but I have seen similar results with I20, and G25. December 27, 2014 in Club Making/Repair & DIY Projects. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. But they will still land on the green as soft as an older set of irons (if not softer). If you've got 2* upright and don't need that configuration, the heel will dig in and you'd pull the shots left (right handed). Will keep that in mind from now on, It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther,. 759 Decided to get lofts and lie's double checked on my irons for peace of mind and following a gap check session get them bent 2 degree strong to the original manufacturer loft spec. Callaway MD 3 48 bent to 50 KBS 610 S+ As you watch PGA or LPGA golf, you will see very little personalization to this basic fundamental. We'll walk you through the process and offer some simple tips and trick. 4-AW with juiced lofts is the same set as an old 3-PW that would probably be 22*-48*. Yes, the T200 can be bent 2 degrees flat and beyond 2 degrees upright Titleist manufactures heads 2 degrees upright which can be bent up to a further 2 degrees i.e up to 4 degrees from standard Please sign in to comment TUser January 21, 2020 at 08:09 AM Along the same lines, I got my new T200 irons late last year. In turn creating around 12 more yds. Custom Edel E-3 Putter. When you start messing around with the hozzels and stress on clubs you need to know what you are doing. United States. Paste as plain text instead, Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. You can post now and register later. Novak has finished 11th after the first round in Hawaii, fifth at Torrey Pines and in the top-30 at Pebble Beach and at the Honda. MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By Secondly, it also takes absolutely no athletic ability to learn how to set up in the proper posture to make a sound golf swing possible. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. Not going to dig any more than normal. "so, any advice, I keep air mailing greens with my PW from 140, this is really hurting my score. make it a "digger" per say? To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. JavaScript is disabled. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. My miss is hitting it fat, so I was especially concerned with how bending them strong would affect bounce. Bottom line: bending 2* strong may or may not cause issues. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. So it doesnt matter to me what loft a golfers 6 iron is, as long as that loft allows a golfer to launch and spin the ball in a way thats ideal for their swing. When I was fitted for my 714 AP-2's it was the Titleist fitter who suggested we go 1 degree strong, but it take very little divot. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth it, especially if you already take a divot. One good example comes to mind. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. You cannot paste images directly. So you bend them 1 degree strong, bounce follows it by a degree. So, it is my contention that conditions on the course often vary much more than changing the dynamics of a club by a degree or two. -How much do you vary on club delivery for Angle or attack and Dynamic loft? I even fitted a customer with a new SLDR and put him in a 12 degree head with a TP shaft. Having spent a lot of his childhood in Hawaii and now on a course that will reward his best asset, Grant can justify this snippet from a recent interview: Fortunately for me, I grew up in the wind.. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). How will that affect it though? Usually weak, but occasionally strong, and if done intelligently where you don't hurt the clubs playability it's no big deal. With the high bounce level of the stock G30's, losing some of that bounce by bending it strong is no sweat, but plenty of clubs have so little bounce that bending them strong leaves virtually nothing left in the bounce department, but bounce really only helps if you strike the ball a little on the fat side. I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. Custom Edel E-3 Putter, More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. My advice is to get fit as cheaply as you can and find some newer distance irons on Ebay or BST that can fit you. The MB and CB clubs you have need a bit more loft to get the ball launched well. This will give you a low-to-mid-range straight shot. The main reason it is done on GolfWRX is so people can brag how far they hit their irons, generally with a passive brag. When this happens, its usually the result of some type of inconsistency in the metallurgy of the club. It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. Uneven lies can vary more than an inch, and based on club geometry that is 1.6* right there, and I can't say I had much effect on the playability of the club.
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