The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. They have an inner urge to help others but don't know how to help themselves or ask for support. Thank You so much for Your answer! VERY-VERY SORRY! So beautifully written Dawn. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. Haunting And what does it mean our 12th. The Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Having someone else's planets in these houses (especially the 5 th, 7 th, and 8 th houses), conjunct the Vertex or not, indicate a high level of compatibility and intimacy. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. Thank you for your insight. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. I will look into it. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Lilith in 12th House: 5 Key Takeaways. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. Bright blessings to you. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. They feel invisible or alone. I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? But I think you can count on that Jupiter for evoking good will between you should you decide to reconcile. (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. Lilith in the 12th House. Lilith in 8 th house composite. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. The same person I've had mutual 12th house synastry with has sun in 12th house composite with me. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. The higher powers are always tapping at the door, insisting on change, cleansing, and renewal from within (Pluto/Uranus in Virgo), but how do you do that if your connection to the other world and the higher powers are full of fear and resistant to the necessary dissolving that must occur (Saturn in Pisces). Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. Is Your experience the same? . One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. Similarly, the 4th house is used for Gemini, and information is extracted by reading it in the Natal charts. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. Thank you very much for the answer. My daughter and I have a 12th house Sun-Moon conjunction (in Cancer) in our composite. Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. thanks Dawn for your reply. Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. It can be in a subconscious way, and you subconsciously want to have all of the power and control. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. Since your Part of Fortune is in the 12th house of your birth chart, the sixth house is the opposite house. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. Thank you for your answer. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. Most of my relationships are like that . Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves, not feeling safe expressing them for whatever reason. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. scares me a bit. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. Click on "Chart Type" >>. hi dawn:) Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. Lilith in partner's 12th house may represent emotional outbursts, manipulations and obsessions. This makes so much sense. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . Because thats what it feels like! I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? Its a bit like getting knocked off your feet by a powerful waveyou and your partner are going to have to swim in the tide for a while, and deal with whatever watery beasties swim your way. Thank you for your reply Dawn . venus+mars, etc. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! The fourth house is . Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. The sixth and the eighth house are also karmic houses. What is the best approach? It feels that we are very free together than alone. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? Unable to forget it? Any advice would be helpful. As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. All that positive Saturn synastry for durablilty, moon conjunction, and all those personal planet oppositions make us feel like the same person sometimes. At all. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. (excuse my bad English) First of all, head to astro.com head to extended chart selection . I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. VERY-VERY SORRY! Thank you in advance. We are very romantic together and trust each other. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. *Also in synastry- my 12th house Juno in Taurus also sits in his 12th house) Also, forgive my double Virgo and the fact that I was once an editor: the phrase is unrequited love not unrequired. Sorry. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). It isnt bad, its difficult. Venus is the planet of love which makes him lovable by his likable behavior and persuasive way of talking. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? In traditional astrology, the 12 th house is known as the house of Bad Spirit. It is ruled by Pluto and Mars, rulers of Scorpio. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. What is it that makes it work? Venus (love) and Mars (sex) in the 7th House are a strong testimony as well. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio).
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