Charlier Ch. Serial # 58755 S76 This custom made Belgium gun was probably designed for the European market. to identify the manufacturer. late 1880's to early 1890's, .22 caliber rim fire 22 1/2 octagonal barrel, carved walnut stock, iron furniture. http://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowl m/www/home. Thanks Brandon. Provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns, since 1924 reserved for smooth bore barrels. You can easily choose the shotgun you need on Ammoterra.com. My grandfather was a hunter long back in time just after WW2 and I have his shotgun in memory of him. Without a photo, I can't add anything to what you already know: it's a handgun made in Belgium. That last photo will give you an idea of the relative thickness of the stock at the wrist - typical Brit (Belgian) 4 1/8th inch in circumference! Original British Martini-Henry Rifle Extractor Mk IV From $34.95 Free Domestic Shipping on orders $300+ Hassle Free 30 Day Return Period 100% Safe Secure Checkout Guaranteed Authentic to the Historical Period Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! BELGIAN MADE, 12 GAUGE, BOXLOCK EJECTOR, 32" BARRELS, CHOKES MODIFIED & FULL, 2-3/4", BROADWAY RIB, GOLD WASHED SINGLE SELECTIVE INERTIA TRIGGER, NON-AUTOMATIC SAFETY, PISTOL GRIP, .Click for more info Seller: Country Pursuits Area Code: 718 $3,895.00 ROYAL GUN, BELGIUM SXS 12GA, GI#: 102149842 the examiner in determining the caliber designation of a military If you can, send me a photo: ghcox3@gmail.com.Best,Gerry, Gerry;I just sent you a photo of what I believe are the proof marks of a Belgium made double barrel 10 gauge shotgun. By Alain Daubresse. It was mandatory post-1924. Black powder proof for rifles and shotguns. Thomas Jefferson. Today, quality 12-gauge field grade guns from all the American makers during this era can be found and purchased for less than $1,000. Delcour-Dupont was a barrel maker in Nessonvaux, Belgium. Chaineux J. This printed These might cursive as well. I have two sets of wood handles and artillery holster with marks of 7 ; 44; 105C. arsenal marks, you will find other marks or stampings. Double gun shotguns - Side by Side shotguns, and over under shotguns - Including drillings, double barreled rifles, SxS double rifles, combination guns. It is was built using a very thick Comblain Hubert Joseph Consignment Sale Information. Bonzon & Arents & Cie Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1 By Alain Daubresse This printed and hardbound book, written in English and French by Alain Daubresse, provide an extensive insight about the gunmaking activity in Belgium from its very beginning to the middle of the 20th century. It could be of relatively recent manufacture. Each gunmaker is presented with the maximum Old Belgium 12 gage double barrel shotgun. All 31 Belgian gun makers, Belgium dealers and sellers and suppliers Home > Companies Gun & arms makers from Belgium country Czech Republic South Africa Israel Malaysia Netherlands Belgium Norway United Arab Emirates Finland Nigeria Ukraine Hungary Indonesia Lithuania Serbia Slovak Republic Croatia New Zealand Sweden Greece Japan Slovenia Hand Guns 24 Rifles-Shotguns 22 . In 1899 alone, the U.S. firms of Hartley & Graham and Simmons Hardware bought 90,000 shotguns, rifles, and handguns from Liege gunmakers. referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", Under their charter the Gunmakers Company had powers to prove and mark all manner of hand guns, daggs, and pistols, and every part thereof, whether made in London or in the suburbs, or within ten miles thereof, or brought thither for sale, or imported for foreign parts. Do you have any knowlege of pinfire double barrels? Since 1924 used on all rifled arms. % I have a vintage double barrel that I have a few questions about. Braekers Charles & Cie Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.. typically do not have a caliber designation; symbols and codes are used They are often found in combination with proof-marks, and still more frequently on unproved arms made in countries where no official proof was existent. Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. Or any info? Makers - Darne, Merkel, Arrieta, Beretta, Browning, Holland, Purdey, Richards, Bernardelli, Parker, Fox, LC Smith, and most other double barreled shotgun, gun and double rifle makers. i have old 12 bore gun with marking as -elg with crown above in oval shape, PV, CHOKE, 1KG 545, X WITH STAR ON IT, 12.65, these r sum of the markings, the condition is good, its our family gun, but i dont know it value or year of manufacture, if u can help. ('Manufacturer') Home > Product Catalog Shotguns made in Belgium category Firearms/ Small arms 731 Rifles 237 Shotguns 359 Pistols 134 Blank/Signal/Rubberball pistols 1 Black powder/Muzzleloader 2 Ammunition 3 Ammunition Components/Reloading 20 A fine antique 18th Century Double Barreled English Percussion Sporting Gun by the famous maker Henry Nock London, caliber 14 mm . to identify antique arms from different parts of the world, we decided Bernimolin Does it reach the touch hole? As I've said, I'm not an expert. See Kennett's # 2 and # 9 above. The Lion Rampant over PV was applied to the Optional Supplementary Smokeless proof for shotguns in 1898. carefully bound by threads. Are you sure they are Damascus and not perhaps fake Damascus made by etching a spiral pattern on solid steel barrels for those who liked the look of Damascus? Again, thank you Prices: side-by-side, from 53,000 + VAT; over-and-under, from 65,000 + VAT. http://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowl m/www/home, https://www.hunting.be/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Belgian-Proof-Marks.pdf, Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1, https://docs.google.com/document/d/17yC Xntqw/edit, https://www.dropbox.com/sc/0sf7osf1dtg1s3r/AABKOd3k4GaQV_ppAci4eWNka, https://books.google.com/books?id=5fxGA g=PA52&lpg, http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation/en _type_id=7, https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewto 5&t=471622, https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewto 5&t=474548, https://books.google.com/books?id=5fxGAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA53, http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/ar a%20gb.htm, https://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/it em_id=3618, https://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/it em_id=3202. Classic Arms Importers and manufacturers of blackpowder guns and kits, located in Palmer, Massachusetts. and an eagles head. Austrian arms were marked with the double eagle, and later with the letters Wn 78; a variety of private marks of manufacturers are also in use. One of the lesser known of the Belgian handgun makers was Jean Warnant but he was a creative designer and the British Thornton's Patent for a double action revolver lock work was actually originally his idea for which he applied for a patent in Belgium in 1874 and that patent was granted in 1875. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. HI, John. The first type of testing we will study is the Proof Test. It's very old but I'd like to know more about it. Some were sold in Stoeger catalogs in the early 60s. and hardbound book, written in English and French by Alain Daubresse, provide an extensive Paypal, Order Information, NRA Quite old. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The date stamps is not used on all guns, otherwise that is the most accurate. This printed and hardbound book, written in English and French by Alain Daubresse, provide an extensive insight about the gunmaking activity in Belgium from its very beginning to the middle of the 20th century. The But despite the history the belgian proof stamps are rather straight forward, normally one cant get more information from the proof more than it has been done if one cant find the inspectors mark. I live in Tennessee and would love help on identifying this gun down to the year and place made. These are original antique muzzleloaders that are made by individual gunsmiths or small manufacturing concerns, usually prior to the era of mass production, but sometimes well into the mid-19th century. for identifying the acceptance and proof marks as it appears, many Closset J.M. Brancquaert Louis Collard Henri - Roux Jacques Breechloaders had existed previously, but Casimir Lefaucheuxs 1835 invention of the pin-fire cartridgea cylinder with a pin extending at right angles to the base which detonated a fulminate charge in the cartridgequickly led to better breechloading systems and to the development first of rimfire and then of centerfire cartridges.Dating pin-fire guns: the 1835 date of Lefaucheuxs invention gives us a convenient terminus a quo: if the pin-fire wasnt invented until 1835, any pin-fire gun cannot be earlier than 1835. Very long barrel. On barrels of breechloading shotguns after final black powder proof. After 1924 fractions of grams were no longer used 1892 - present 1K355.5 17 Belgian shotguns are still finely-made firearms and are considered some of the best to come out of Europe. Colleye Henri Joseph Bodson N. marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. visiting our on-line listing of manufacturers identifying marks, and BELGIUM had a glut of old, obsolete flint lock and percussion gun parts left over from years past. Key Findings. The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. CLIMAS Tradename used by J. Stevens Arms Co. on guns. Project Upland. One issue of this collection for the year 1910, which I found in the US Library of Congress, contains a curious case which throws some light on how some Belgian gun manufacturers actually operated. There is no doubt that this system contributed much to the good report in which properly proved arms were held, and laid the foundation of much export trade. You can tell an unaltered pin-fire by the vertical slot in the breech extending to the top of the barrel (and, of course, the absence of a firing pin). reference books that display proof marks and their meanings. There are a total of [ 71 ] Belgium Infantry Arms List (Current and Former Types) entries in the Military Factory. Collette Lopold be reproduced, in part or in whole, without the written permission of '. Saillevillean E. reversed set in a square stamp (as shown below). Based only on the pictures, those barrels do not appear to be Damascus. Bernard Henri Eugne Email: ghcox3@gmail.com. If you could find the time to give me a clue what exactly this gun is I would greatly appreciate it.Thanks,John. The are no available records of these old Belgium shotguns, Because of the action and style the best guess would be an era, between 1920 and 1940. Bettonville - Fontaine Belgian Arms cie Weight of proofed barrels, after 1924 fractions of grams no longer used. So I'd guess it was made in the late 1800's. We offer a wide variety of antique firearms for the antique gun collector. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Hello,I have a flintlock rifle that is stamped "spesco corporation made in Belgium" on the top of the smoothbore barrel. Sounds like a 19th C. Belgian pinfire shotgun (grin). A Adaptive Tactical Shotguns American Tactical Shotguns B Baikal Shotguns Barrett Shotguns Benelli Shotguns Beretta Shotguns Blaser Shotguns Browning Shotguns C Century Shotguns Charles Daly Shotguns Chiappa Shotguns Side by side shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory changes frequently. Christophe & Montigny We have just started to assemble this on going source of Proof Modern pistols and revolvers are proved in their last stage of manufacture when complete with action and in firing order. The crown R and star P stamped on the barrel, receiver, and cylinder. On the bottom of the barrel it has the proof mark like number 9 (E,L,G,) (no crown). Bernard Emile & Cie Any ideas as to date range? Smaller gauges progressively cost more, with 20-gauge guns generally bringing at least twice the price of a 12 gauge. acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". Some older foreign manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a location, rather than a manufacturer. Any idea what it all means? JavaScript is disabled. Mark, I'm unclear what the "leg in a circle" looks like; ditto the "star over the k". The IZh motorcycles and automobiles are manufactured by. Knowledge of commonly used military ammunition assists Also on the chamber there are three marks, one which I have not been able to identify, but appears to be provisional proof? Too, seems to be an odd, long cut in the standing breech for the Greener Crossbolt. Drue, yes, the absence of rifling means that this pin-fire was used for shot.Pin-fires represent an important stage in the development of firearms. Breechloaders had existed previously, but Casimir Lefaucheux's 1835 invention of the pin-fire cartridgea cylinder with a pin extending at right angles to the base which detonated a fulminate charge in the cartridgequickly led to better breechloading systems and to the development first of rimfire and then of centerfire cartridges. Carl, I've checked Wirnsberger's Standard Directory of Proof Marks as well as those listed at Cornell Publications, and came up empty handed. Parisa cipher of E. and P. set back to back (as shown below). 1893 - 1924 1930 - present CH B RAYE 15 Designates 4th or nitro proof; the mark contains the name of the powder in abbreviated form ( Schultze, E.C.) Ordinance and Proof Houses were established by law in almost every I have not fired it. 4 0 obj Counet Philippe Courard "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over In addition to Birmingham had also a proof, but this test was not obligatory, and makers evaded the tests. U.S.A.Most pistols exported from the United States are not proof marked in their country of origin. Some of the links in the first post are inactive and can not be edited. 14 Designates guns with rifled chokes. How do I price this piece? Sorry for my delay in responding: I've been OOT and off-line for two weeks. individual armorers and inspectors used their own unique stamps in some Ever seen that? M Mecar (4 P) Pages in category "Firearm manufacturers of Belgium" Seen Hand Guns 3 Rifles-Shotguns 0 . production. I can send pictures of it. I have a Belgian muzzle loader pistol with the cylinder marked "ELG" in a circle with a star underneath it in the circle, there is also a "D" on the cylinder underneath the proof mark. Purchased by Val Forgett of Navy Arms in 1978. So the only indicator of the chamber depth is found with the stamp of the Chamber dimensions? Can anybody shed some light here? Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Baltus - Wilmotte Midway USA sells a CO2 kit to unload both flint and percussion guns.Best,Gerry, hello, what does a 'z' also indicate on a Begian pinfire revolver cylinder please. I have pics of the Proof marks I want to show you. Today, Belgian firearms designer Francotte builds famed double barreled shotguns and fine rifles. Mark for voluntary treble temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels, Mark for voluntary double temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels. [more like this] Belgian Flobert Style Warnant 8mm Parlor. Belgium Belgian Proofmarks Belgian proofs are among the oldest and have a very long history. rifle,over a 12 ga. shotgun. There's no indication of gauge. After investigation of proofmarks I realised it is a Belgium manufacured gun from Liege. are cottage industry type weapons without a specific brand name. BELGIAN PROOF MARKSPROOF MARKS: BELGIAN PROOF MARKS, . I have tried to look up an 1136 but am unable to locate them anywhere. Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a Bayet Frres The Modern Shotgun. Then emigrated to Belgium at the end of 1859. Please note! Boden Tel: 01707 709372; It has punched on one side of barrel 17.2, on the other side punched JC, EL ,pinfire symbol, K and crown on its top, E LG little crown under them in oval.Please help me to get the closest identification for this nice firearm. Hand Guns 17 Rifles-Shotguns 1 . gfk0W2|Z#C7xA5 2`f)Hj'[iZWMU=|J-T `)Mtex=]m$azBbk>$QPB gTb0nnPTbj\uD`.3;7 ;U}LuB+2aki!Ld1QNUwr$Oaj9,U1Oe~N2u]6;&?a'LOe3 NIIS/\4fFIGXT[,(rN]3"!2(4YBd^VUY:;jWCJ^f"X.2X:l\d>|D}#&Ofw`Rv|$6&)M Their proof marks are two feathers, or curved branches, crossed with letters in the angles of the cross so formed. The only other markings I have seen are along the length of thr barrel \ \/ | . I can't find any other mumbers on the gun other than the multiple proof markings that I will post later. Home | Login | Register. Baker, David J. I think it was made 1890 but not sure. Hi Gerard and everyone! Technically the company is owned by Belgium firearms maker FN Herstal. thanks for the help so far. location, rather than a manufacturer. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! since 1929 Eibar admission proof for guns with old marks since 1929 Eibar proof used in . So the barrel strength would be just a bit less than "modern" barrels; but not the corrosion resistance of Winchester Nickel Steel or AISI 4140. examiner must rely on proof marks when trying to identify these "Any maker's name or place of origin? American gun manufacturers moved away from Damascus barrels and on to tubes made from fluid steel. 1840-1860. Ancion Marx He received his technical training in Soest and then in Warstein. All 24 Shotguns made in Belgium, Belgian made Shotguns from manufacturers.name.include? Bernard Victor & Cie You may know how to do this: put the ramrod down the barrel and mark it with a pencil at the muzzle. Most double shotguns represented here. 1860-1870. Today's biography is a guest post by our friend Robert White - thanks, Robert! Withdraw it and lay it along the barrel, lining up the pencil mark with the muzzle. My best guess is that it's a maker's mark, but of course I could be wrong. Bernard Ernest firearms books bibliary. "Cueruy" could be the maker. Thanks. I bought an old shotgun from my uncle, he bought it in the late 40s early 50s. Get this product now as it would not last, Contract - 5.56 x 45mm 62 Gr. Oftentimes it makes no sense to let go of the past, particularly since shotguns from higher-quality Damascus steel are as shootable today as they were 150-plus years ago. it says made in belgium on the side of the barrel yes but on the top of the barrell it says acier cokerill on 1 barrel on the top and on the other barrel on the top next to it it just says liege belgium and yes there is a stamp on the inside of the barrel next to all the other markings that says LLH what does that mean? These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths guild and the mark of the State or city. Markus, clearly your gun is from 1943, but look, you have used a 2011 old post. 1890, double bbl shotgun, 12 ga, 30" bbls. Thanks for any help you can offer.Rick dwonczyk, I found one with elg with a star underneath in a circle but there was also a T with a star above it and the letter S also on the cylinder pin fire solid erase revolver with a collapsible trigger was told it was .31, Hi, Rick. Barrels are not rifled- does this mean it must be a shotgun? Dear Shamsher, I can't help much without sharp photos, but it appears your gun is Belgian, made in Liege, no earlier than 1893. Closset Louis Quick Facts Reply rdlowe Pilgrim Joined Dec 11, 2015 Messages 236 Reaction score 190 Location Dallas TX Dec 21, 2018 #3 curator said: Thanks a ton this, helped me identify a friends old revolver. I suspect the gun is a Janssen. . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. Coquilhat Aim Forum, http://www.littlegun.be/arme belge/artisans identifies d/a delcour dupont gb.htm, http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_All_Proofmarks.html, http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_Trade_Marks.html. %PDF-1.3 Mauser was a late entry in 1888. I'll restrict myself therefore tosaying something about gun making in Belgium and offering some proof marks. I will have to upload some pictures later when I get to my computer. In some cases this cipher is also preceded by the figures 16, and followed by a capital B., also surmounted by a crown. No maker's name at all. Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks, Manufacturers When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Other than the diameter stamp, I don't see a 70mm stamp. BELGIAN FLOBERT SINGLE SHOT RIFLE: Circa. Nessonvaux is short drive outside of Liege. On January 27, 1910, in Liege, a Justice of Peace heard a case of gunmaker's employee Joseph Bury vs. La Zurich insurance company. I can't tell if it was proved for nitro: those have a lion over the PV. I'll test it very cautiously. Debouxthay was a gunmaker in Liege, Belgium, active at least from 1888-1904. It has a gold trigger and serial number starts with an x. I'm very curious as to why there is an "FN" above the serial #. Still, this company firmly has its roots in the good old U.S.A. John Moses Browning is a legend of firearms history. R. Medina on October 31, 2020: ttn intnl model 1878 s/n 4751. michael v ventimiglia on October 30, 2020: new england firearms ( N G 001039 ) model r22 ultra mini. Scroll through our inventory of antique pistols and handguns from our cartridge pistols and revolvers category below. No maker's name anywhere? Choke constriction, together with barrel dimension this can give a brief view of the choke. John Browning's Auto-5 set the bar for semi-automatic shotguns. The blue is rough but the action works. The British Sporting Gun and Rifle: Pursuit of Perfection 1850-1900. Do you have any information on them? of data available and a wealth of color pictures about the most typical pieces of his It is a 12 gauge with 70mm = 2 3/4" chambers. Counet - Genot A complete list of suppliers of shotguns. Just got hold of a 12gauge apparently belgian shotgun with a mark reading AB and an M below, surrounded by a small circle with a crown on top. Well the bore is noted in the rhombus as >>12<< and the constriction values are >>18.2/18.2<< & >>17.3/18.2<< so with those it has to be a 12 bore. Comblain is about 30 cm X 22 cm (11.80" X 8.60"). Email: Info@hlebooks.com It's as useful in a duck blind as it is . they were made + or - 1900 to 1930's. I'm not familiar with the proof mark you describe, although a French one exists of AR with a three-pronged crown above, used for smokeless powder proof (but no M). How does it open? No small part of the Belgians' remarkableability to meet the demands of a wide variety of firms trading all over the world was their willingness to go on producing type of guns that were obsolete. Tullea three spiked crown or mitre above a capital E (as shown below). the 20th century. Rich engraved. Andr M.J. Variant of the one above, used for some month in 1894 and sometimes later on Not for ball, indicates that the barrel has choke. Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks. These firearms Bertrand Antoine & Fils below are samples of Proof Marks of different countries. This includes many fine Browning A5 shotguns and the Superposed shotgun. Testing the gun Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. this book online and pay it through Paypal. in the A to C range of the alphabetical order. On this page, once you scroll past the patent stuff, you'll find a gun very much like yours. He leases space in the Olathe Gun Shop where, at any given time, you can see hundreds. Don't know about the Star P. And I don't ever evaluate guns. Where did you find the Falla mark? It is unfortunate from the point of view of history that weapons were not marked with a date letter as is customary with silver hall-marks, but the proof-marks stamped upon arms give no indication of the period of proof. Nowadays these firearms are mostly used for hunting or kept at home for self-defence. Chaumont M.J. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. United States Police prefers using shotguns because of their comparably simple usage and aiming for close and mid-range fighting. Colard Louis - Counet Lonard The first on the left and the fourth (the one that resembles a candlestick)indicate provisional proof. Counet-Leboulle J. Stevans): cant verify it is Maj. Doan, but on his hip is a pistol, which looks alike a 7 in. I have a Belgium 38-40 with a 7 in barrel all matching. 254.541.2985 John Hille, john@jhille.com. Measure your Cogswell and it should be about that.The barrels are 32" and the gun weighs approx 73/4 lbs. Ad Categories: Pre-1840. Guns and rifles built in Germany and the German principalities before the 1890s typically did not carry proof marks, but the 1891 proof law "grandfathered" these arms by mandating that they be submitted to the proof house and marked with a crown-over-V, the V standing for vorrat or "on hand". When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Sorry! for exports be able towithstand a proscribed load without damage. Serial Numbers. Thank y'all again! listed in alphabetical order. Clement, Charles Pistol and revolver manufacturer in Liege, Belgium, c.1886-1914. determination. source of Manufacturer Serial Numbers. Four barrel . Wish I could be more helpful! Collings Hadelin Proof Marks or Bernard Lambert Between 1847-1952 the stamp with the letter F-J C was used in the same purpose. will it take normal 12 gauge shells then? Fakes and fraudulentmakers' marksare not a recent invention--note what William Greener said in 1835 (seemy earlier post of April 20, 2014). These include the Now, at age 63, Jensen has reached the stage in life where he's ready to start letting go of his collection. There are literally thousands of small individual makers, and often such . x\}WT_0qk E%Mp8@S36QG7=TFx,P?wU]4v>3}wc)0~_+. Can be without star and ring. The 12.65 I take to mean 12 gauge with 2 1/2" chambers (70 would be the modern 2 3/4"). Burrard, Major Sir Gerald. country requiring that weapons sold within the respective country, and Chartier The proof marks shown below will assist in determining nationality of manufacturers when no other markings are evident. The 'z' most likely is an inspector's mark indicating satisfactory quality for this part: in this case, a revolver cylinder--that's my best guess, anyway. Listing of small arms appearing from 1800 to 1899. The earliest 3D-printed guns were crude single-shot devices. A strong good product that will last for long usage in your In 1849 the additional ciphers for provisional proof the letters E.L. in script, enlaced, and the sign of the tower of Liege a little obelisk upon a pyramidal base, also shown on the right [above].
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